Bad reefing ideas which never should have been

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Recently, I’ve been doing a lot of fish-related events, and have had the pleasure of interacting with quite a few experienced hobbyists. During our discussions, we often reflect on where the hobby has been, where it’s going, and the people, products, and trends that have helped define- or sometimes-detract from- the hobby landscape. I thought it would be fun to reflect upon a few of the more polarizing ones in recent years, so here are several of my personal favorites:

“Wet Skimming”- I LOVED this one! Basically, you took your highly efficient and expensive protein skimmer and “tuned” it so that all it did was remove some yellowish water from the system.  This “technique” was though to help assist in nutrient export by creating continuous “water changing”. Really? I always laughed at this, because if you ask me, it would have been a lot easier to just pick up a siphon hose and remove a few gallons of water regularly the way hobbyists did it for decades.  It’s amazing what some people will do in the laziness to avoid water changes! This one ties in nicely with the paranoid hyper-husbandry of our next great trend from the past:

“Rock cooking”- A great example of “viral stupidity” perpetuated by means of the Internet. Some incompetent hobbyist’s tank “crashed” into a mass of scunge and algae, so he went on line blaming live rock and sand for his woes. It had to be the rock and sand, because he was allegedly really experienced! ALL aquariums with live rock and sand were viewed as “time bombs” waiting for the great apocalypse. It launched a vitriolic hatred towards use of live rock and sand in reef systems, and suddenly you were advised to remove all of the sand from your tank, and to take your live rock and scrub it with a stiff brush and “swish it” in water until it rinsed “clean”. Then, in an ultimate act of stupidity, you were supposed to “cook” your rock by placing it in a darkened container of saltwater for months, essentially killing all photosynthetic life (both good and bad) on the rock. This supposedly helped to “eliminate detritus and phosphates”, and then you’d place this barren rock back into your display aquarium (without sand, of course), to start the process all over again. Loyalists to this “technique” proffered detailed “instructions” for neophytes on a certain hobby message board, and a lot of criticism towards those who wouldn’t embrace this stupidly perverted form of “hyper husbandry”. I’m not sure what was worse- the concept or the attitude!  Of course, if these guys would have simply learned how to manage an aquarium in the first place, they wouldn’t have had to create this stupid concept!

Feeding Lettuce to herbivorous fishes- Well, at least the intention of this one was good. Since macroalgae and other prepared foods for herbivores were sadly lacking back in the day, Romaine lettuce was offered up as a substitute. While terrestrial greens were never considered outstanding nutrition for marine fishes,  this was one of the easiest substitutes at hand, so we used it. I mean, the stuff was green, right? It wasn’t until we started keeping macroalgae, such as Caulerpa, in our systems in the mid eighties, and experimenting with other marine algae products, such as Nori sheets, that our beloved herbivorous Tangs and Rabbitfishes really began to thrive in captivity. Nowadays, we can purchase the ultimate Tang feed, propagated Gracilaria macroalgae, from online sources such as Indo-Pacific Sea Farms. It’s a great time to be a Tang!

Cycling aquariums with Damselfishes-This idea is sooo last century!  By keeping hapless Damsels in a newly set up aquarium, their waste products helped to feed the beneficial bacteria that we require in our systems. In theory, it works, but why would you subject a fish to the discomfort and negative health affects caused by ammonia and nitrite toxicity in a brand new aquarium? There have always been better ways to help “kick start” the nitrogen cycle in our closed systems. Yet, this practice still continues today, with thousands of Damselfishes each year needlessly subjected to the rigors of “cycling”.  It also serves to perpetuate the belief that these beautiful, interesting fishes are expendable aquatic “popcorn” as one author referred to them. With a wide array of bacteria products and alternatives, today’s hobbyists don’t have to resort to this primitive technique any longer.

So that’s a look at just a few of the strange ideas that have been embraced by the hobby over the years. I suppose the proponents of these techniques and practices really believed that these techniques were the way to go, so I can’t simply bash them without acknowledging this (well, actually- I can, because this is MY blog!). Yet seriously, it’s amazing how various hobby practices arise and then fall- or evolve- over the years. If we learn from our indiscretions, then we truly have evolved. As one of my relatives so eloquently put it, “Nothing is ever wasted. Something can always serve as an example of what NOT to do!”

That about sums it up.

Till next time,

Stay wet.

Scott Fellman

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  • http://www.ifhs.biz Rev. Kelly Smith

    Justin,
    You HONESTLY think it is appropriate to respond to what you feel is “slander” by slandering a whole religious belief system? One that wasn’t ever referred to in any post? And then you say YOU can’t take people seriously?

    Personally, I had no problem with your original post, people have great latitude in caring for their pets. Your response was in opposition to the author’s post and some of the other responses, and then you take offense and feel slandered when someone else responds?

    Should the other author’s feel sladered? Should they then tee off on whatever, if any, diety or belief structure you have? In taking the route you did, YOU effectively moved yourself out of beig taken seriously in the discussion and any hope of “proving your point.”

    As an American, I’ll defend your right to post as many idiotic responses as you desire, BUT I won’t give up my freedom to respond to them. And fyi, you didn’t “offend” me, you saddened me.

    “Sorry Todd, cant take people seriously if they slander me. You must be a christian.
    Hypocritical? Oh please.”

  • http://www.ifhs.biz Rev. Kelly Smith

    Justin,
    You HONESTLY think it is appropriate to respond to what you feel is “slander” by slandering a whole religious belief system? One that wasn’t ever referred to in any post? And then you say YOU can’t take people seriously?

    Personally, I had no problem with your original post, people have great latitude in caring for their pets. Your response was in opposition to the author’s post and some of the other responses, and then you take offense and feel slandered when someone else responds?

    Should the other author’s feel sladered? Should they then tee off on whatever, if any, diety or belief structure you have? In taking the route you did, YOU effectively moved yourself out of beig taken seriously in the discussion and any hope of “proving your point.”

    As an American, I’ll defend your right to post as many idiotic responses as you desire, BUT I won’t give up my freedom to respond to them. And fyi, you didn’t “offend” me, you saddened me.

    “Sorry Todd, cant take people seriously if they slander me. You must be a christian.
    Hypocritical? Oh please.”

  • Shaggy Doo

    I like smoking weed and staring at my reef tank.

    Why aren’t we doing that more instead of talking about boring ass religion?

  • Shaggy Doo

    I like smoking weed and staring at my reef tank.

    Why aren’t we doing that more instead of talking about boring ass religion?

  • Mike

    I pee in my tanks to cycle them. No one suffers. In fact I get relief from it :-D

  • Mike

    I pee in my tanks to cycle them. No one suffers. In fact I get relief from it :-D

  • Justin

    Kelly, nowhere in my posts did I use malicious words such as “Idiot”. I may have implied a few things but that is the beauty of tact. You “saddened me” by not understanding the intricacies of debate.

  • Justin

    Kelly, nowhere in my posts did I use malicious words such as “Idiot”. I may have implied a few things but that is the beauty of tact. You “saddened me” by not understanding the intricacies of debate.

  • Cheese Dude

    I distrust those who don’t like cheese.

  • Cheese Dude

    I distrust those who don’t like cheese.

  • juan

    Bill O’Reilly of Reefkeeping.

  • juan

    Bill O’Reilly of Reefkeeping.

  • http://www.australianinfront.com.au Justin Fox

    I’ve only just gotten back on the horse with my marine aquarium (which I set up in 2007). I’ve been putting a lot of effort (and money!) into my set-up and I’m loving every single minute of it.

    I’ve been haunting this blog. I love the updates, if anything I wish there were more posts/day! This is the first time I’ve felt the need to comment though.

    I personally run a few large sites. One which has over 8000 unique visitors daily. In running these sites over the years I’ve come to realise that my words wield a little more power than something I might say in coversation to a friend.

    The fact is that you are writing this on Reefbuilders (what I assume to be a very respected online publication) and you are blatantly paying out certain individuals (the rock cooking part of your article was particularly demeaning towards contributors to that thread).

    I came across the rock cooking thread via Google search a few weeks ago, thought it was a little silly and never gave it any more thought, but hey I didn’t abuse any power and publish how silly I thought it was on any of my sites.

    In my opinion this article is pretty low.

    If I was the person who initiated the rock cooking thread I’d be pretty upset once someone pointed me out to your article.

    Arguing on a public forum is one thing as everyone is on an equal platform, but publishing a spiteful attack against individuals through a very popular blog is weak and in my opinion disrespectful to reefbuilders, reefbuilders fans and the entire reefing community.

    I’ve just lost a little respect for this blog. I don’t expect you to be sad about it. I’m just so into this hobby right now and it’s 100% me that is upset about it.

  • http://www.australianinfront.com.au Justin Fox

    I’ve only just gotten back on the horse with my marine aquarium (which I set up in 2007). I’ve been putting a lot of effort (and money!) into my set-up and I’m loving every single minute of it.

    I’ve been haunting this blog. I love the updates, if anything I wish there were more posts/day! This is the first time I’ve felt the need to comment though.

    I personally run a few large sites. One which has over 8000 unique visitors daily. In running these sites over the years I’ve come to realise that my words wield a little more power than something I might say in coversation to a friend.

    The fact is that you are writing this on Reefbuilders (what I assume to be a very respected online publication) and you are blatantly paying out certain individuals (the rock cooking part of your article was particularly demeaning towards contributors to that thread).

    I came across the rock cooking thread via Google search a few weeks ago, thought it was a little silly and never gave it any more thought, but hey I didn’t abuse any power and publish how silly I thought it was on any of my sites.

    In my opinion this article is pretty low.

    If I was the person who initiated the rock cooking thread I’d be pretty upset once someone pointed me out to your article.

    Arguing on a public forum is one thing as everyone is on an equal platform, but publishing a spiteful attack against individuals through a very popular blog is weak and in my opinion disrespectful to reefbuilders, reefbuilders fans and the entire reefing community.

    I’ve just lost a little respect for this blog. I don’t expect you to be sad about it. I’m just so into this hobby right now and it’s 100% me that is upset about it.

  • reef

    Some people should harden up.

  • reef

    Some people should harden up.

  • Robert Wright

    rabble rabble rabble!

  • Robert Wright

    rabble rabble rabble!

  • http://reefbuilders.com Jake Adams

    Wet skimming, fish cycling and lettuce feeding might be frowned upon but I have to get Scott’s back on the “viral stupidity” that spawned Rock Cooking. The concept of wiping the slate clean itself is not that bad, but the rationale which led people to nuke their rocks was certainly maniacal. It was as if people enjoyed the act of coming up with ways to kill their rocks, blaming it on their failures instead of tracking down the real reasons for their problems.

    Why pay upwards of $10 a pound for good quality, biodiverse rock flown in from the other side of the world only to sterilize it down to just soggy rock and bacteria? Might as well use ceramic, lace or Marco rock and save yourself $8 a pound.

    I would like to add “Split Photoperiod” to the list of stupid reefing ideas. Maybe someday a coral propagator can prove it’s benefits beyond a doubt but circadian rhythm has been half a billion years in the making so IMO, Split Photoperiod is S. T. Yupid.

  • http://reefbuilders.com Jake Adams

    Wet skimming, fish cycling and lettuce feeding might be frowned upon but I have to get Scott’s back on the “viral stupidity” that spawned Rock Cooking. The concept of wiping the slate clean itself is not that bad, but the rationale which led people to nuke their rocks was certainly maniacal. It was as if people enjoyed the act of coming up with ways to kill their rocks, blaming it on their failures instead of tracking down the real reasons for their problems.

    Why pay upwards of $10 a pound for good quality, biodiverse rock flown in from the other side of the world only to sterilize it down to just soggy rock and bacteria? Might as well use ceramic, lace or Marco rock and save yourself $8 a pound.

    I would like to add “Split Photoperiod” to the list of stupid reefing ideas. Maybe someday a coral propagator can prove it’s benefits beyond a doubt but circadian rhythm has been half a billion years in the making so IMO, Split Photoperiod is S. T. Yupid.

  • iggy

    I think Scott’s next article should be bad equipment and additives which never should have been…………

    ESV Fluoride
    Brightwell Kalk with mag oxide
    Marc Weis but was among first to release GFO
    Biocube Nano skimmer

    etc etc

  • iggy

    I think Scott’s next article should be bad equipment and additives which never should have been…………

    ESV Fluoride
    Brightwell Kalk with mag oxide
    Marc Weis but was among first to release GFO
    Biocube Nano skimmer

    etc etc

  • Rich Ross

    I think you are taking the extreme view as mainstream which always seems dangerous to me. Extreme views all around make me nervous, but so often in the “Real Housewives of Reefkeeping” threads, the useful info gets ignored because drama is so captivating and polarizing is simpler than deeper understanding. The idea of ‘cooking’ rock that has sat in a shipping container for 3 weeks seems to make a whole lot of sense and I would rather have the rancid icky the rock sheds not be in the display.

    On a related note, I never actually understood why people would pay money to have freshly collected rock flown in and put straight into their tanks and think the idea of biodiversity from fresh rock is a bit of a snipe hunt. In ‘fresh’ live rock (that has been difficult to get for a decade) there is so much die off, the likely hood of getting some pests is high, and there rarely seems to be anything good that survives long enough for the expense and resources to be worth it (sure once and a while, but thats like looking for the golden ticket). Do I think these people are stupid because I don’t agree with this methodology? Nope – more power to them as the different ideas are where progress is generated. Do I think the idea itself is stupid? Not really, but that doesn’t mean I am going to try it again.

    There are plenty of reefkeeping ideas that have supporters foaming at the mouth. 8 inch sandbeds in a 20 inch tall tank, the EcoAqualizer, the current popular skimmer, LED’s (I got shredded last year for saying that I thought the technology wasn’t ‘there’ yet), Zeovit, Vitamin C, biopellets, keeping tangs in smaller tanks, ATS, feeding non live plankton, and ‘unkeepable’ animal, the plethora of ich cures, and almost everything else for that matter. Are any of these ideas really stupid? That really depends on the individuals point of view, current trends, and research. It seems that all the ideas are necessary steps of experimentation that lead to wider and more through understanding.

    I love the idea of looking at online discussions and the effect that the polarizing discussions have on the hobby (hmmm…I may have to pursue that) – things really do spin out of control, but I think its from all sides and has little to do with the ideas themselves.

    I have no problem taking ideas rigorously to task, but I guess I am having a reaction to publicly calling people stupid and laughing at them for doing things differently, for thinking differently. We prolly all have some bit of kit or husbandry practice that others think stupid, but does it really help the greater good to actually call them stupid?

  • Rich Ross

    I think you are taking the extreme view as mainstream which always seems dangerous to me. Extreme views all around make me nervous, but so often in the “Real Housewives of Reefkeeping” threads, the useful info gets ignored because drama is so captivating and polarizing is simpler than deeper understanding. The idea of ‘cooking’ rock that has sat in a shipping container for 3 weeks seems to make a whole lot of sense and I would rather have the rancid icky the rock sheds not be in the display.

    On a related note, I never actually understood why people would pay money to have freshly collected rock flown in and put straight into their tanks and think the idea of biodiversity from fresh rock is a bit of a snipe hunt. In ‘fresh’ live rock (that has been difficult to get for a decade) there is so much die off, the likely hood of getting some pests is high, and there rarely seems to be anything good that survives long enough for the expense and resources to be worth it (sure once and a while, but thats like looking for the golden ticket). Do I think these people are stupid because I don’t agree with this methodology? Nope – more power to them as the different ideas are where progress is generated. Do I think the idea itself is stupid? Not really, but that doesn’t mean I am going to try it again.

    There are plenty of reefkeeping ideas that have supporters foaming at the mouth. 8 inch sandbeds in a 20 inch tall tank, the EcoAqualizer, the current popular skimmer, LED’s (I got shredded last year for saying that I thought the technology wasn’t ‘there’ yet), Zeovit, Vitamin C, biopellets, keeping tangs in smaller tanks, ATS, feeding non live plankton, and ‘unkeepable’ animal, the plethora of ich cures, and almost everything else for that matter. Are any of these ideas really stupid? That really depends on the individuals point of view, current trends, and research. It seems that all the ideas are necessary steps of experimentation that lead to wider and more through understanding.

    I love the idea of looking at online discussions and the effect that the polarizing discussions have on the hobby (hmmm…I may have to pursue that) – things really do spin out of control, but I think its from all sides and has little to do with the ideas themselves.

    I have no problem taking ideas rigorously to task, but I guess I am having a reaction to publicly calling people stupid and laughing at them for doing things differently, for thinking differently. We prolly all have some bit of kit or husbandry practice that others think stupid, but does it really help the greater good to actually call them stupid?

  • iggy

    I run an ATS on a tank full of carefully arrange dry rock and my corals grow like weeds.

  • iggy

    I run an ATS on a tank full of carefully arrange dry rock and my corals grow like weeds.

  • Reefer4life

    On the topic of Rock cooking – There is a great time and place for rock cooking, ie. some local reefer tears down their tank they neglected and gives away 200lbs of live rock for free.. only problem is it is full of algae. I don’t need the rock but have plenty of time to “cook it” to get it back to clean and when it is all cooked, there may be a piece or 2 I would like to swap out of my display tank because the shape is better. I really don’t see how cooking rock in that scenerio would be bad… now taking out all my rock out of the the display just to cook it, that is different, that shows I am not maintaining my display tank like I should be if I felt I had to go to those extremes. Cooking rock does not equal nuking/killing rock, it simply means cleaning out the built up detritus and killing off any algae. The rock is still “live” (bacteria/pods/worms/etc).

  • Reefer4life

    On the topic of Rock cooking – There is a great time and place for rock cooking, ie. some local reefer tears down their tank they neglected and gives away 200lbs of live rock for free.. only problem is it is full of algae. I don’t need the rock but have plenty of time to “cook it” to get it back to clean and when it is all cooked, there may be a piece or 2 I would like to swap out of my display tank because the shape is better. I really don’t see how cooking rock in that scenerio would be bad… now taking out all my rock out of the the display just to cook it, that is different, that shows I am not maintaining my display tank like I should be if I felt I had to go to those extremes. Cooking rock does not equal nuking/killing rock, it simply means cleaning out the built up detritus and killing off any algae. The rock is still “live” (bacteria/pods/worms/etc).

  • iggy

    Cook the rocks if you like you don;t need Scott’s approval, but is it really the best way when dry rock is 2 usd/pound or ATS pulls nutrients out faster?

  • iggy

    Cook the rocks if you like you don;t need Scott’s approval, but is it really the best way when dry rock is 2 usd/pound or ATS pulls nutrients out faster?

  • Reefer4life

    In certain circumstances, like when you get 200lbs of LIVE rock that goes for $5/lb at the LFS for free and the only problem is it is full of hair algae, I do think cooking is the best way.

    I run an ATS/Rox carbon on my SPS reef tank, NO skimmer, and it does great and got rid of all the algae in my display, but why put extra rock that is full of algae into the display just so the ATS can slowly get rid of it when it is much quicker, easier, and safer to cook extra rock in its own container.

    Like I said, time and a place for cooking rock. Cooking all your rock out of the display tank because you can’t control the algae.. not the time or place… cooking $1000 worth of live rock you got for free in a rubbermaid, absolutely the right time and place.

  • Reefer4life

    In certain circumstances, like when you get 200lbs of LIVE rock that goes for $5/lb at the LFS for free and the only problem is it is full of hair algae, I do think cooking is the best way.

    I run an ATS/Rox carbon on my SPS reef tank, NO skimmer, and it does great and got rid of all the algae in my display, but why put extra rock that is full of algae into the display just so the ATS can slowly get rid of it when it is much quicker, easier, and safer to cook extra rock in its own container.

    Like I said, time and a place for cooking rock. Cooking all your rock out of the display tank because you can’t control the algae.. not the time or place… cooking $1000 worth of live rock you got for free in a rubbermaid, absolutely the right time and place.

  • Iggy

    @Reefer4life

    How long has ATS been running on SPS display tank? What do you consider the most demanding SPS in that display?

  • Iggy

    @Reefer4life

    How long has ATS been running on SPS display tank? What do you consider the most demanding SPS in that display?

  • Brandon

    Split photoperiods don’t work??? Don’t tell calfo this;-p

  • Brandon

    Split photoperiods don’t work??? Don’t tell calfo this;-p

  • jpluttme

    IME wet skimming that produces a golden tea color seems to result in a tank with less algae growth and surface scum, and better coral health in my nano. Much more so than waiting for a thick, dark skimmate to fill the cup. Again, that’s what works for MY tank.

    One thing about this hobby is that sometimes, it is about experimentation to see what works and what doesn’t. Yes, there are some things that we look back on and say “that was really stupid,” but at the same time, there are a lot of other ideas that came about that aren’t so stupid after all. If no one said “what if” and tried anything different in this hobby, we wouldn’t be where we are today.

  • jpluttme

    IME wet skimming that produces a golden tea color seems to result in a tank with less algae growth and surface scum, and better coral health in my nano. Much more so than waiting for a thick, dark skimmate to fill the cup. Again, that’s what works for MY tank.

    One thing about this hobby is that sometimes, it is about experimentation to see what works and what doesn’t. Yes, there are some things that we look back on and say “that was really stupid,” but at the same time, there are a lot of other ideas that came about that aren’t so stupid after all. If no one said “what if” and tried anything different in this hobby, we wouldn’t be where we are today.

  • Cheese Dude

    I perfected the grilled cheese sandwich while on tour with the Grateful Dead.

  • Cheese Dude

    I perfected the grilled cheese sandwich while on tour with the Grateful Dead.

  • John

    I loved eating those grillies when I was super high.

  • John

    I loved eating those grillies when I was super high.